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Standardized Cardroom Rules part 2
By RazzO
Published by GameMasterOnline.Com

GreetZ!
Let's kind'a forget about what I suggested about the "grabbing a handful" of chips and coming out to call. It's part of poker to do that mannerism, to some degree, anyway. It's the obvious moves that I think that should be curbed. I know this on player who calls a $40(red chips)bet by grabbing a bunch of chips and sitting down the first stack of $20(4 red chips) and makes to more cuts into that stack by dropping ten, and then ten more. But his movements and mannerisms most often are theatrics and appears to look like a raiser coming out. Thats the kind of action to the pot I'm talkng about. An experienced dealer and any seasoned player can identify this kind of player.

Game is $10-$20 stud. $1 ante. Low card $3. First raise to $10. A player wins a big pot and when he's raking it in while trying to play next hand he inadvertantley throws in a red and a white chip($6.). He the white chip and replaced it with a red one, looked at the dealer, and said "raise!" Dealer says, string bet, and reached out and grabbed explains. Maybe the guy understood, maybe he didn't. Says, nevermind, "let's play!". Ok, now the next card the "chuckling" string raiser pairs his door card and he is high. He silently picks up a stack of red chips and without saying anything sets them near the pot(option to bet $10 or $20 with pair showing on fourth street).

My question is, if a floorman was called to determine what size bet this player made, what would the ruling be? This situation occurred in Atlantic City.

Recently, I was dealing a $15-$30 Texas hold'em game. Player starts action. Fold. Call. Next player has his cards wedged up as he holds a half stack of cheques in his hand. He thinks and then drops the stack in front of the cards, then picks his cards up and throws them in. As he did this with his chips, the next player folded. I stopped the action. I told the player that he had, in my opinion, made a "call." I explained what he did and the action it inccured. No one said anything. The player looked at me for a second, thinking, then put in three red chips(he had never released his hand). What would a floorperson rule?

These questions and others are often addressed at the Poker World News Forum at POKERwwwORLD.

One question we all must know the answer to. Let's say that the rulebook being authored by Caro & Cooke is basically the nutt's. What will be done to promote its use? I'm sure they have some idea. But will they consider that? Are they obligated to help promote its universal exceptance? Nope. We are.
I don't know what the ratio is in Atlantic City or Las Vegas on complaints to gaming authorities are on bad rulings. I don't think its rampant. It would be normal to have the same ruling in the same room. In the most part the poker industry has always been excellent in rulings(pre 1990), as you can imagine why.
Spirit of the Rule decisions will always have to be made. It's a tough, if not impossible project.

The ruling that the floorman in above situation ruled?
Ruling: Player put in enough chips to constitute a 20 dollar bet. In essense, by having placed an over size bet.

The proper ruling should have been a 10 dollar bet. The player should declare to eliminate any confusion.

When I get some information about the rulebook, I'll post it. I saw Roy Cooke in a side game at the 1999 Rio Carnivale of Poker. HeY!(i got a .gif ;)!!!!

See ya'Z!

RazzO